je tako, ampak se plugina in HW ne da nastavit popolnoma enako. Neka majhna odstopanja so vedno. Plugin recimo zaokrožuje room size na 0'5, potem nekateri parametri imajo pr pluginu skalo v odstotkih, HW pa v vrednostih (ok, to bi se sicer dalo izračunat v odstotke, no), nekatere vrednosti se enostavno ne da nastavit tako kot na pluginu in obratno, itd.
Lexicon plug-in reverb PCM Native Reverb Plug-in Bundle
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#31
Objavljeno 23 januar 2010 - 11:43
QUOTE (ixi @ 23. Jan 2010 09:24:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ampak smo se pogovarjali da nas zanima razlika pri istih nastavitvah = ja tako ??
je tako, ampak se plugina in HW ne da nastavit popolnoma enako. Neka majhna odstopanja so vedno. Plugin recimo zaokrožuje room size na 0'5, potem nekateri parametri imajo pr pluginu skalo v odstotkih, HW pa v vrednostih (ok, to bi se sicer dalo izračunat v odstotke, no), nekatere vrednosti se enostavno ne da nastavit tako kot na pluginu in obratno, itd.
#32
Objavljeno 24 januar 2010 - 09:44
Po svoje je brez veze primerjati 960L in plugin, ker plugin izhaja iz sodobnejše PCM 96ke, ki ima glede na 960L prav tako že modificirane algoritme. Plugin = PCM 96 - ostlai efekti + Vintage Plate + nekaj odpravljenih bugov. Plugin je v teoriji boljši kot 960L, dejansko gre pa za stvar osebne preference in navajenosti. Plugin pač pove, da je danes za Lexiconov reverb nesmiselno kupovati HW. Glede na njegovo "razpoložljivost" pa tudi SW
Čeprav sem slab mesec nazaj zanj odštel 1k EUR
Prispevek uredil/a: jantex, 24 januar 2010 - 09:45 .
#34
Objavljeno 24 januar 2010 - 10:43
QUOTE (jetam @ 24. Jan 2010 22:20:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
raje dam 1k€ za HW kot pa za SW
In v primeru da rabiš več instanc reverba potem sproti renderiraš in patchaš eno mašino? Ne vem, IMHO v tem primeru SW odtehta z enostavnostjo uporabe. V primeru tega reverba ne gre za SW emulacijo, kot v primeru kompresorjev in preampov in ostalih digitalnih emulacij analogne opreme, ampak gre za iste algoritme prenešene kompajlane za drug sistem.
Podobna primerjava je recimo Sonnox EQ in Dynamics pluginov z eq-ji in dinamiko na Oxford OXF-R3 mizi (s tem da miza še vedno izgleda bolj sexy
Prispevek uredil/a: jantex, 24 januar 2010 - 10:46 .
#35
Objavljeno 25 januar 2010 - 01:49
960L, 480L in plug-in oz. PCM96 ne moreš primerjat med sabo. Ne moreš govorit boljše, slabše... ampak, kaj ti je všeč in kaj ne. Jst še vedno FUUUUL delam s PCM91, kljub temu da imam par cm zraven 960L.
Nekateri hvalijo Bricastija, drugi TC 6000, jst sem se pač našel v PCM91 in 960L, ne bi pa se branil 480ke, ker ima nekatere stvari boljše od 960ke.
480-ka je še vedno "standard" v večini studiev. Le zakaj?
Ne bi jst to tko, veš ...
BTW... če ti je hudo za 1k EUR, se spomni v težkih trenutkih name in na ceno 960ke.
LP
Nekateri hvalijo Bricastija, drugi TC 6000, jst sem se pač našel v PCM91 in 960L, ne bi pa se branil 480ke, ker ima nekatere stvari boljše od 960ke.
480-ka je še vedno "standard" v večini studiev. Le zakaj?
Ne bi jst to tko, veš ...
BTW... če ti je hudo za 1k EUR, se spomni v težkih trenutkih name in na ceno 960ke.
LP
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#36
Objavljeno 25 januar 2010 - 05:00
QUOTE (Blaster @ 25. Jan 2010 01:49:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
960L, 480L in plug-in oz. PCM96 ne moreš primerjat med sabo. Ne moreš govorit boljše, slabše... ampak, kaj ti je všeč in kaj ne. Jst še vedno FUUUUL delam s PCM91, kljub temu da imam par cm zraven 960L.
Se povsem strinjam, vsak je zgodba zase in vsi so odlični. Kot sem že omenil, vse je stvar osebne preference.
QUOTE (Blaster @ 25. Jan 2010 01:49:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nekateri hvalijo Bricastija, drugi TC 6000, jst sem se pač našel v PCM91 in 960L, ne bi pa se branil 480ke, ker ima nekatere stvari boljše od 960ke.
480-ka je še vedno "standard" v večini studiev. Le zakaj?
480-ka je še vedno "standard" v večini studiev. Le zakaj?
Se ponovno povsem strinjam. Spet je težko reči, da ima 480ka kaj boljšega od 960ke, vsak ima svoj sound. Po mnenju nekaterih je 224 še bolj sexy kot 480
QUOTE (Blaster @ 25. Jan 2010 01:49:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW... če ti je hudo za 1k EUR, se spomni v težkih trenutkih name in na ceno 960ke. 
Kruuutaa ja, tistih 15k EUR je res ogroooomen denar, ja
Prispevek uredil/a: jantex, 25 januar 2010 - 05:03 .
#37
Objavljeno 25 januar 2010 - 09:21
Originally Posted by masterblaster View Post
I always thought the converters played a significant part in the magic lexicon sound. Have they modeled this?
Programer:
If you mean massive phase shift and brick-wall anti-aliasing, then no, we haven't bothering modeling it. The 480 also had digital I/O and I never heard anyone complain that the magic vanished when they went digital.
Quote:
Will this plug-in have the same algo's as the 480? In a side-by-side shoot out with a 480, will this plug-in sound as rich, expansive and smooth? Those are the questions to think about. If so it will definitely be worth its price.
Programer:
This has more modern versions of some of the 480 algs. I haven't bothered to go back and duplicate the 480 exactly, but the 96 and these plugs have many similar characteristics. If you think the 480 is smooth, just pop in some very low frequencies, turn up spin and listen to it grind. I'm not dissing the 480, but it does have some shortcomings.
Vir
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears View Post
Nobody Special
Is there any chance that Lexicon would consider creating a 224XL plugin - as they must still posses those algo's and they would surely easily run on a modern quadcore PC.
The market for the older boxes as plugins must be massive.
Programer:
Unless David Griesinger has a copy of 224 code squirreled away (something he says he doesn't), that code was lost 15 years ago when the company sold the computers that built it. Recreating that code would take a substantial amount of time. Not saying it won't happen, but it's nothing I'm planning for now.
Quote:
I hope this is the start of something really exciting from Lexicon
Programer:
It is, but perhaps in a different way from what you're imagining. Our plugins won't bring your computer to its knees, but that doesn't mean I don't want to .
Vir
Kako so si okusi različni, to so komentarji programerja od Lexicona glede 480tke in 96tke.
. pa da je morda algoritem od 224 izgubljen...
Ma važno da so zmeraj boljši/vrhunski algoritmi dosegljivi tudi na računalniku!
Če pa si kupil pa si izkazal spoštovanje do razvijalcev kar je zelo lepo.
I always thought the converters played a significant part in the magic lexicon sound. Have they modeled this?
Programer:
If you mean massive phase shift and brick-wall anti-aliasing, then no, we haven't bothering modeling it. The 480 also had digital I/O and I never heard anyone complain that the magic vanished when they went digital.
Quote:
Will this plug-in have the same algo's as the 480? In a side-by-side shoot out with a 480, will this plug-in sound as rich, expansive and smooth? Those are the questions to think about. If so it will definitely be worth its price.
Programer:
This has more modern versions of some of the 480 algs. I haven't bothered to go back and duplicate the 480 exactly, but the 96 and these plugs have many similar characteristics. If you think the 480 is smooth, just pop in some very low frequencies, turn up spin and listen to it grind. I'm not dissing the 480, but it does have some shortcomings.
Vir
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears View Post
Nobody Special
Is there any chance that Lexicon would consider creating a 224XL plugin - as they must still posses those algo's and they would surely easily run on a modern quadcore PC.
The market for the older boxes as plugins must be massive.
Programer:
Unless David Griesinger has a copy of 224 code squirreled away (something he says he doesn't), that code was lost 15 years ago when the company sold the computers that built it. Recreating that code would take a substantial amount of time. Not saying it won't happen, but it's nothing I'm planning for now.
Quote:
I hope this is the start of something really exciting from Lexicon
Programer:
It is, but perhaps in a different way from what you're imagining. Our plugins won't bring your computer to its knees, but that doesn't mean I don't want to .
Vir
Kako so si okusi različni, to so komentarji programerja od Lexicona glede 480tke in 96tke.
. pa da je morda algoritem od 224 izgubljen...
Ma važno da so zmeraj boljši/vrhunski algoritmi dosegljivi tudi na računalniku!
Če pa si kupil pa si izkazal spoštovanje do razvijalcev kar je zelo lepo.
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