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#1 NLP

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Objavljeno 09 marec 2010 - 12:47

Neke vrste express "kao" mastering...
... še huje kot TC Finalizer, katerega si se moral vsaj malo potrudit in našraufat.
... kaj bodo porekli resni mastering inženirji.

Now, most listening no longer passes thru the CD medium, and the file exchange is taking an increasing share. Many musicians and self-productions want to present their tracks in good conditions at the early stage of the demo without having to apologize for the poor perceived quality compared to commercial productions.
This service is dedicated to musicians and self-productions which have neither the desire nor the time to learn to adjust the "threshold of hysteresis in the compressor section of the multi-band processor". The aggressive pricing allows to finalize a 3 minutes title for only 5 €.
MaximalSound proposes a quality "ready to wear" solution, and purchasing only occurs after try. Cherry on the top, the job is usually available in less than one hour. MaximalSound.com does no traditional mastering -indexing, editing, cleaning or fade in/out- but premastering which is only sound enhancement.

Here's the technical description of the applied treatment:

Harmonic enhancer:
The harmonic enhancer, this old invention of the Aphex company, has the advantage on an equalizer to not apply a fixed amplification on the top of the audio spectrum. This technique allows to naturally clarify the sound without fatiguing constant high frequencies boost. In the MaximalSound algorithm the even and odd harmonics are generated separately using dynamic content signal depending on whether the attack or the body of the note are processed.

32 bands processing:
A 32 bands crossover filter splits the signal to be processed by 32 de-expanders before being rebuilt in broadband by summing all the bands individually processed. This produces a dynamic equalizer where each part of the audio spectrum is magnified in the low levels according to a psycho-acoustic model standard.

De-expander:
A de-expander can also be called reverse-expander. A de-expander amplifies the signal below a threshold in contrast to an expander which attenuates the signal below this threshold. This choice is fundamentally different than techniques related to compression. The signal is amplified when it is weak and not planed when it becomes too high (above threshold). The difference may seem subtle, but it is significant when the attack time of treatment is taken into account . A compressor will act always too late (attack time) on the peak values, forcing the limiter to affect the transients which are so valuable to the perception of stereo space. The de-expander just amplifies the signal after the attack time, avoiding any unnecessary limiting.

Limiter:
Unlike the analog domain, digital doesn't support any overload, even briefly. The limiter is there to handle situations where the summation of all processed bands produces a signal exceeding the allowed maximum value (0dB FS) in the digital domain. The limiter is an essential part of treatment since at this stage the signal is full-band and any flaw may lead to tonal unbalance by favoring or attenuating certain parts of the audio spectrum. In limiters the attack time is null or negative (look ahead) to prevent any violation of the limit value. The art is to find an optimum release time, in order to preserve the frequency content and the perception of the dynamics of the original signal regardless of the complexity of this signal.

Summary:
  • State-of-the-art processing
  • Free sample for approval before purchase
  • Aggressive pricing policy based on the size of the processed files
  • The job is generally available in less than an hour
The MaximalSound.com service is fast, easy and cost-effective. You can test it immediately and for free.

Pricing and Availability:
See website.

Več info na: maximalsound.com

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Objavljeno 10 marec 2010 - 08:07

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Objavljeno 10 marec 2010 - 10:07

Jaz bom tole definitivno sprobal..... v edukativne namene..... taunt012.gif

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Objavljeno 10 marec 2010 - 10:22

Če se bi ti dalo bi lahko objavil dobljeno in strokovno komentiral rezultate?!
(... ker jaz sem jih grdo in nestrokovno že v naprej obsodil:(smile.gif)
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#7 Gregor Zemljic

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Objavljeno 10 marec 2010 - 11:43

Definitivno!

......mastering studio brez spiska opreme (čeprav bi imeli samo plugine pa slušalke), ene fotke in kakršnekoli referenc..... lol.gif

To me zelo spominja na tole: http://www.xtranorma.../watch/2868571/



Verjetno majo kakšne indijce al pa kitajce prek neta zaposlene, da jim par presetov menjajo.....

Me pa zanima kakšen bo rezultat......pa dal jim bom nekaj kar bi sicer sam masteriral.....da bom imel za primerjavo....

Takšni "studii" delajo slabo uslugo/reklamo vsem ostalim, ki se trudimo v tem poslu biti pošteni do strank in svoje delo opraviti korektno.....z spidkom opreme in klientov....

Seveda je pa možo da se tudi motim...

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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 12:40

Meni po opisu deluje kot čisto šablonsko delu, tudi cena storitev je takšna, ne verjamem da je sploh nek živ človek za tem ampak čista avtomatizacija???!

Razlika seveda je, to je zmeraj enostavno, psihoakustika posameznika je izjemno labilna seveda, vprašanje je ali je to tudi dobro!!!?

Grd bom in bom rekel da je to kar nekaj, po lastni logiki sodeč seveda.

Kot si rekel verjetno gre za nekaj "inteligentnih" presetov...

Nelogična novica me je razhudila, zato sem jo kot zanimivost nalimal.
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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 03:51

In, kako so se obnesl? ena ura je mimo biggrin.gif
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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 12:04

Evo sem tudi sam sprobal... ashamed0002.gif

Vceraj se jim je ocitno zrusil server in ni slo, danes je pa file pozrl v 20 sec. in mi nekje po 3/4 urah ponudil preko mejla v download tale file. Pripeta datoteka  kakoli.wav   6,31MB   220 Število prenosov

Torej, uploadan material je bil dry mix, brez limiterja na masterju, 24/44.100...

Poslusam tole v sluzbi na BD DT 990, ki ze itak povdarjajo visoke frekvence, pa se mi zdi da je ta njihov "premaster" malce harsh na visokih, malo se zgubi tudi L/R field in absolutno je preglasen (metering mi kaze -8 RMS-a) hmmm... nevem... vseeno so to slusalke in ne moj mix/master environment.

Dejansko je to neke vrste niša za vse tiste, ki zelijo pritisnit en knof in dobit master, brez kakrsnega koli truda, razumevanja in poglabljanja v proces masteringa... kot bi recimo na Ozonu klikal na presete, brez, da bi se poglobil v njihove parametre in dobil podoben ali celo isti rezultat.

Rezime: Poceni in "idiotproof" premaster, ki s posnetka sicer nekaj naredi, nihce pa ne ve tocno kaj.

Bom se rajsi v bodoce sam ukvarjal s tem, kot pa prej omenjen kitajsko/filipinski algoritem wink.gif
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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 02:10

Žal mi je, ne govori slovensko. Zato je Google prevod ...
Algoritem ni Azije, vendar francoščina. Sem nekdanji član družbe FLUX in sem se odločila, da začne svoj lasten posel.

To je opis zdravljenja:

1. Harmonično generator, stari izum Aphex ima prednost izenačevalnika ne uporablja razširitev določena na vrhu spektra. Ta tehnika omogoča, da jasno, seveda brez ojačevanje sistematično in naporne visokih frekvencah. V tem algoritem celo in lihe harmonike so nastali posebej z uporabo dinamičnih vsebin signal, da se obnašajo različno glede na to, ali napada ali telo note.

2. Splitter trak filter 32 omogoča signal, ki se obdelujejo s 32-ekspanderji, nato pa so obnovili v širokopasovne povezave s seštevanjem vseh pasovih posamično obdelujejo. To ustvarja dinamično izenačevalnika, kjer je vsak del spektra povečajo na nizko raven v skladu s psychoacoustic standardnega modela.

3. De-ekspanderji se lahko imenuje tudi reverse-ekspanderji. Die-expander širi signal pod pragom razlika expander, ki zmanjša signal pod tem pragom. Ta izbira je bistveno različne tehnike, povezane stiskanje. Signal se ojača, ko je slabo, ne skobljan, ko je postal preveč močan (v-del praga). Razlika se morda zdi subtilno, vendar je pomembno, če upoštevamo napad času zdravljenja. Kompresor bo delovala vedno pozno (čas napada) prehodno prisili omejevalnik ukrepa in izkrivljajo ti prehodni pojavi so tako dragocena, da je zaznavanje prostora. De-expander n'amplifiera signal po napadu času in prepreči nepotrebno dejanje omejevanja signala.

4. Za razliko od analogne domene, ne presega digitalni signal, tudi na kratko. Omejevalnik je upravljanje primere, ko vsota vseh pasovih proizvaja predelane signal preseže največjo (0dB FS) licenc v digitalni domeni. Omejevalnik je bistveni del zdravljenja, saj je ta faza končana signal (širokopasovno) in pomanjkljivosti lahko privedejo do neravnotežja celotnega zapisa najljubši ali kaznovanju nekaterih delih spektra. V omejuje čas napada nič ali negativna (pogled naprej), da se prepreči, ki presega mejno vrednost. Umetnost je najti čas sprostitve (release) najbolje ohraniti vsebino in pogostost zaznavanja dinamike prvotnega signala glede na kompleksnost tega signala, ko je drastično spremeni v vrednost.

Poslane datoteke so vsi zdravi, in stranka prejme vzorec dela, preden kaj plačati. Plačilnih mestih, kjer je zadovoljen s storitvijo. Mi kupili in "ready-to-wear", šele potem, ko se potrudil, tako kot v vsakem dobrem mestu. Vse, razen avtomatsko obdelavo intervencije na forumih. Sem svetoval vsakdo poskusiti zdravljenje, da bi svoje mnenje.
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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 06:24

g. Google me je pa resno nasmejal : ) hehehe...


@Laurent
Google translate is absolute joke for our language, I'd strongly suggest to repost your post in English.

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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 07:21

Let's forget Google's funny translation.

I'm a former FLUX guy which have decided to run his own business around an original algorithm that isn't real time.
As described in the begining of this topic, the treatment features the following processors:
1 Harmonic enhancer
2 32-band de-expander
3 Limiter
Every stage is designed to achieve a natural sound despite the applied heavy processing.

MaximalSound isn't supposed to replace the mastering studios which propose a "sur mesure" service. It offers a cost effective "ready-to-wear" solution. The key point is the demo sample of your file before purchase which avoid deceiving results.

I invite everybody to do his own test in order to forge his own opinion.
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Objavljeno 11 marec 2010 - 08:05

itsss AAAALIIIVEEEE !!!!
..glasba je bog in jaz sem verski fanatik...


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Objavljeno 12 marec 2010 - 12:40

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Damn!!! kar streslo me je po celem životu - "shook me all over my životu/ body"

Welcome!!!

Users, please report about your results/satisfaction.
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Objavljeno 16 marec 2010 - 08:32

Hmmm... kaj sledi? Uploadas demo komada in ti cez tri ure poslje prearanziran, zmiksan in zmasteriziran izdelek? Ne bi rad zvenel kot star cinik, ampak tole je pa malo prevec za moj okus...

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Objavljeno 17 maj 2010 - 02:58

QUOTE (GreasyGranny @ 16. Mar 2010 08:32:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm... kaj sledi? Uploadas demo komada in ti cez tri ure poslje prearanziran, zmiksan in zmasteriziran izdelek? Ne bi rad zvenel kot star cinik, ampak tole je pa malo prevec za moj okus...


MaximalSound improves its algorithm in order to provide the best possible optimization service. This reworked version provides an accurate phase response on the complete bandwidth. Now, the maximal phase shift never exceed 5° in any situation. The target sound pressure level is increased by 0.5 dB. The psycho-acoustic model is fine-tuned to enhance both low and high ends.

HD Videos explaining the MaximalSound processing are available at: http://www.youtube.c...er/LaurentMxSnd
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MaximalSound updates its online algorithm.

Since 2010, MaximalSound.com offers an online audio optimization service. Based on a proprietary algorithm, this service allows indie productions, small labels and musicians to release their productions with the best technical specifications. Because the processing uses the same pattern as the human hearing, it supports every music genres from metal to hip-hop, from classical to country music.

The limiter section and its interaction with the 32 bands de-expander have been totally reworked. This new version improves the micro-dynamic perception and the tonal balance while preserving the spacial enhancement and the original hot loudness. The safety margin has been increased in order to facilitate further lossy encoding for digital distribution platforms such as iTune, MySpace or Youtube.

Summary:

· State-of-the-art processing
· Unlimited number of free samples for approval before purchase
· Aggressive pricing policy based on the size of the processed files
· The job is generally available within one hour

More info at MaximalSound.com

Here is the new video demo:


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Objavljeno 09 junij 2012 - 07:41

MaximalSound Evolves

Since 2010, MaximalSound.com offers an online audio optimization service. Based on a proprietary algorithm, this service allows indie productions, labels and musicians to release their tracks complying with the highest industry standard. This processing uses the same pattern as the human hearing. It supports every music genres from metal to hip-hop, from classical to country music.

• The online algorithm is updated to version 3. This latest development provides an improvement in the low frequencies through a refined psycho-acoustic model for this part of the spectrum.
• Audio files in 32 bit float are now supported in order to eliminate any risk of saturation during mixing in this format.
• The free preview duration is increased by 50%
• The upload page is simplified.
• The site now includes a customer page
• The files stay available 10 days to allow PayPal payment without credit card.


More info at: MaximalSound.com

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Objavljeno 12 junij 2012 - 10:45

Fuck off with this cheap shit!

And fuck off with this digital "preset" shit with ussual limiters (l2,sony oxford etc...).


And fuck of with this "job" you are doing ... this is faaaar below the cheapest mastering.



Sorry for all "fuck offs", but please... this is pro audio forum we are speaking about. No "el-cheapo" offers here!
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QUOTE (kochobass @ 12. Jun 2012 11:45:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fuck off with this cheap shit!

And fuck off with this digital "preset" shit with ussual limiters (l2,sony oxford etc...).


And fuck of with this "job" you are doing ... this is faaaar below the cheapest mastering.



Sorry for all "fuck offs", but please... this is pro audio forum we are speaking about. No "el-cheapo" offers here!


Pro only means costly from an amateur point of view.
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Objavljeno 20 marec 2013 - 07:41

QUOTE (kochobass @ 12. Jun 2012 10:45:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fuck off with this cheap shit!
And fuck off with this digital "preset" shit with ussual limiters (l2,sony oxford etc...).
And fuck of with this "job" you are doing ... this is faaaar below the cheapest mastering.
Sorry for all "fuck offs", but please... this is pro audio forum we are speaking about. No "el-cheapo" offers here!

Hello pro audio genius,

MaximalSound has improved its algorithm one more time for punchier deep bass, lower distortion, and a little more volume. The render farm is now 4 times bigger to achieve the one hour delivery promise for the still growing crowd of users.

Last but not least, MaximalSound now offers a VIP service with 60 seconds demo and customized job page. These VIP offers are dedicated to producers, studios and recording labels.

See you on MaximalSound
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Objavljeno 23 marec 2013 - 12:46

QUOTE (Laurent @ 20. Mar 2013 20:41:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello pro audio genius,

MaximalSound has improved its algorithm one more time for punchier deep bass, lower distortion, and a little more volume. The render farm is now 4 times bigger to achieve the one hour delivery promise for the still growing crowd of users.

Last but not least, MaximalSound now offers a VIP service with 60 seconds demo and customized job page. These VIP offers are dedicated to producers, studios and recording labels.

See you on MaximalSound


Hmmm... I am very sceptical about that kind of offers, but I'll give you a chance... I have just sent you one file... smile.gif) Let's hear the results...



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Objavljeno 23 marec 2013 - 02:18

Ok, it came back very quickly, but it does not work well enough ... the processed version is just louder (too loud, squashed, harsh and distorted really) and hence "clearer", but the mix was already loud - so only a nice human touch in mastering was needed - to maybe add some extra clarity, check the sound on full range monitors in a controlled environment, just make a little "sweetening" touch by intuitively chosen tool by the ME, etc. Your service can't provide that unfortunately... maybe it is good to get some demos to some average loudness and acceptable sound, but it is not a pro service for serious material... in my very honest opinion...

I can post my example just for a short time, but will erase it soon, since it is still a work in progress to be released some day...

( examples deleted )

(I will delete those work in progress files in a couple of days, sorry, but few people can hear how the service "works" and comment on it in between...)

To me such "master" is not acceptable even if it would be really cheap... a human being behind the controls is still needed to do the job... But your algorithm could help a human being do it... it seems that it can DO something, just it doesn't LISTEN... smile.gif)

Prispevek uredil/a: satoration, 25 marec 2013 - 12:10 .


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To satoration,
Your source file is already mastered or limited at least (-12 dB RMS). That just leads to over-cooked audio. As usual for mastering a straight master section during mix gives the best results.

Here's a link to a page featuring permanent before/after samples.
http://recording.org...-mastering.html

Prispevek uredil/a: Laurent, 24 marec 2013 - 07:41 .

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Objavljeno 24 marec 2013 - 01:21

QUOTE (Laurent @ 24. Mar 2013 09:34:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To satoration,
Your source file is already mastered or limited at least (-12 dB RMS). That just leads to over-cooked audio. As usual for mastering a straight master section during mix gives the best results.

Here's a link to a page featuring permanent before/after samples.
http://recording.org...-mastering.html


It just served to illustrate that someone who listens is required... a mastering engineer could still make a good sounding master from such a track...

I think your operation would be better if you just release your algorithm as a mastering software plug-in somewhere along the lines of Paul Frindle's DSM - and people can use it and adjust it, etc. I don't think it works well enough without actual listening and adjusting the parameters... but that's my opinion. Good luck in you business, such automated style just doesn't appeal to most of the audio community as you might have experienced by now...





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